Jindal Saw Ltd - May 2025 Earnings Call Transcript Analysis

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Earnings Call Transcript Analysis Report #

Financial Performance #

Key Financial Metrics #

  • Management described Q4FY25 and FY25 results as “plateauing” compared to the previous year across turnover, EBITDA, PBT, and PAT.
  • Standalone EBITDA margin guidance: “now we are going to be in the 19 to 20 range. We maintain that, and we shall be maintaining the 19% to 20% EBITDA in the coming year as well.”
  • The consolidated financials were significantly impacted by accounting adjustments related to the JITF NTPC arbitration case:
    • Rs. 144-146 crores of amortized lease receivable from NTPC in JITF’s books written off.
    • Rs. 235 crores of deferred tax assets in JITF de-recognized.
  • Term loan: Reduced to “in the vicinity of Rs. 600 to Rs. 700 crore.”
  • Net worth: “in the vicinity of close to Rs. 10,000 crores.”
  • Working capital: Improved to “around Rs. 1,800.”
  • Hunting JV Profit (JSAW’s share in consolidated PAT): “about Rs. 27 crores.” The JV itself earned over Rs. 50 crore profit in its first year.
  • Dividend: “maintained the same dividend payout.”

Comparison with Previous Periods #

  • Performance in Q4FY25 and FY25 was generally similar to the prior year, indicating a plateau.
  • Q4FY25 saw a dip in top-line (“dip in the last quarter top line”) due to delayed budgetary allocations for Jal Jeevan Mission (JJM) projects, an anomaly as Q4 is usually the strongest.
  • Order book: $1.325 billion, marginally lower than $1.4 billion last year, attributed to a deliberate slowdown in order intake during Q4. DI pipe order book stood at 6.25 lakh tons, down from 6.8 lakh tons in Q3.

Revised Guidance or Forecasts #

  • Q1 FY26 performance expected to be “similar to what we saw in Q4.”
  • Full impact of JJM project revival expected from Q2 FY26 onwards.
  • FY26 performance expected to be broadly similar to FY25 and FY24, with positive impacts from completed CAPEX (DI, Seamless) and cost reduction initiatives.

Areas of Growth or Decline #

  • Growth: Expected from capacity expansions in DI and Seamless pipes, cost reduction benefits, and increased contribution from value-added products and the Hunting JV.
  • Decline: Q4FY25 topline saw a dip. Overall, the recent performance was described as “plateauing.”

Strategic Initiatives & Business Updates #

JITF NTPC Arbitration & Restructuring #

  • A Single Bench High Court judgment against JITF came as a “big surprise.” An appeal has been filed with a Double Bench.
  • Rs. 850 crores previously received by JITF (under bank guarantees) has been repaid to NTPC using JITF’s own sources and financial support from the promoter group.
  • Accounting adjustments in JITF: Write-off of Rs. 144-146 cr amortized lease receivable and de-recognition of Rs. 235 cr deferred tax assets.
  • Debt and quasi-debt instruments in JITF are being converted to equity. Post-conversion, Jindal Saw will own 57%, Siddheshwari 42.06%, and a foreign partner <1% of JITF.

Debt Management #

  • Continued focus on debt reduction.
  • “The debt profile is well under control and would remain that way.”

CAPEX and Expansion #

  • Ongoing/Completed: Capacity expansion in DI pipes at Haresamudram (+1 lakh ton) and Seamless pipes at Nashik (to 4.5 lakh tons).
  • Future: New projects are being evaluated, with a plan of action expected by the next quarter. Assurance that new projects will be planned to avoid cash flow strain and maintain credit rating.

Cost Reduction Initiatives #

  • Introduction of PCI (Pulverized Coal Injection) and a 3rd Coke Oven Battery in Pragpur.
  • Generation of energy from waste heat.
  • These are expected to positively impact FY26 financials.

Hunting JV (Premium Connections) #

  • “The Hunting JV is doing well.” Earned over Rs. 50 crore profit in its first year, with JSAW’s share in PAT being Rs. 27 crore.
  • “At this point of time, we do have a first mover’s advantage. On premium connection, we are the only one currently operating in India”.

Order Book Strategy #

  • “Deliberately slow down taking of orders” in Q4 due to execution slowdown. The company prefers a 9-10 month order book. Current order book: $1.325 billion. Export to domestic ratio: 23-25%.

New Business Models #

  • States are adopting Hybrid Annuity Model (HAM) for water projects, expecting EPC contractor participation including equity.

Market & Competitive Landscape #

  • Jal Jeevan Mission (JJM): After a slowdown, “budgetary delay of funds has all been restored. This year, the Government has released Rs. 70,000 crores.” Full impact expected from Q2 FY26.
  • “The demand for the water infrastructure is very good giving rise to a lot of demand for pipe.”
  • “A lot of opportunities going to come in water infra projects for at least next five to seven years.”